of the actual organization, i would point out that the -- this is a party that michael steele presides over, a huge victory, so of course they fire him and reince priebus presides over a debacle, and they rehire him. so this is not getting past stupid as far as i'm concerned. but be that as it may, that's their business. they are looking for a leader. and i think jindal could have challenged them to do what they need to do, which is reexamine their positions and their policies. it's not -- it's not just that some republicans say stupid things. it's that they have positions that are seen as anti-women, anti-minority, anti-immigrant, anti-science, anti-everything. >> if they're looking for a new leader, and they've got to have a new leader, and they're in the age of obstructing everything in washington, wouldn't this set the table for somebody out in the heartland with republican core conservative value and ideas to step forward with a fresh message? what about that, karen?